The Dowies in Kinross (and their English Dowie ancestors)

N.B. this page is an offshoot of Jimmy's Family Datefile.
Here's a link to The Dowie Family Website.

      
Heatheryford, just outside Kinross, now a B&B Inn (a.k.a. the Grouse and Claret restaurant), was, for many generations, the home of one branch of the Dowie family in Kinross. 
"James Dowie, wright, of Heatheryford" is mentioned in a list of sequestrations (1843).  We don't know, yet, whether or not he lost the house at that time but it seems that the house had not previously changed hands in about 200 years.
The present owners claim that one of Mary Queen of Scots' meetings with John Knox was at Heatheryford.

The 1851 census of the area is generally signed by "Andrew Dowie, enumerator."  Andrew Dowie was factor to William Patrick Adam, the barrister and MP (and descendant of Robert Adam, the architect, whose home was at Blair Adam House in Kinross).

This from the British Army Museum in London:
Bengal (1855) C.P. cxxil. 87.

* Co-incidentally, in our own branch of the Dowie family, May Dowie's son married Janet Foote, the grand-daughter of  David Tweedie who used to look after Blair Adam House for Robert Adam when the family were away.  The font and the communion table in the Cleish Church (below) were inscribed to the Tweedies.

Cleish Church

The church at nearby Cleish seems to be almost exclusively dedicated to the memory of the Douies (and the Tweedies)!  There were a few Douie graves in the churchyard.  It has been transcribed.  I'll try to get a copy.
 
Inscription: To the Glory of God and the memory of Jessie Hamilton Douie who died 16th March 1928, widow of the late John Livingstone Douie.
 
 Inscription: illegible on the snapshot but it was another Dowie window - outstanding, tasteful  work .
 
Inscription: "In remembrance of Captain Andrew Douie, Royal Horse Artillary, who died at the Johnstone near Stirling on the 28 Jan 1871 aged 34 years.   
This tablet is a last tribute of affectionate regard from his brother officers."
 
Sacred to the memory of Robert Douie, ensign in the 26th regiment Madras Native Infantry, who died at sea on the 19th day of March A.D. 1850, aged 20. 
His mortal remains were commited to the deep.  This tablet is erected by his brother officers as a token of their esteem and regard.

    
Origins of the Dowie family

It's generally accepted that the Dowies are a sept of the Cameron Clan but the only basis for this seems to be a decision made by a geneologist/author who connected the Dowies with the MacIldowies on the strength of the similarity of the two names. I would like to see something a bit more concrete before getting fitted out for a kilt to attend the next Cameron Clan gathering.

Have a look at the table below (and the text which follows it). The Scottish Dowies outnumber the English in the old records by about 10 to 1 but the earliest records are English. I think the Dowies will eventually prove to be a Norman family (let's face it: it takes a Norman to put up with a Norman). The earliest mention of the name in England comes after the Norman Conquest and the name is recorded in the Domesday Book: Walter de Douai, Baron Bampton. The family are apparently Flemish and may have been related to William the Conqueror's wife, Matilda which, in itself, would tend to explain their subsequent fate. It seems Walter's son Robert, the 2nd Baron Bampton, may have found himself on the wrong side (for his own interests) on the issue of King Stephen's legitimacy. From what I've just been reading, he had (in the 1120s) attended the court of David I, of Scotland, (who was demonstrably hostile to Stephen's succession). Robert seems to have laid all his cards on the table and then allowed himself to be backed into a corner by the King's brother over a relatively trivial dispute and ended up with King Stephen himself at his front door, conducting a siege of Bampton. Robert de Douai survived the siege but suffered exile and forfeiture so it seems possible that the Scottish branch of the Dowie family arrived here around 1136 with their tails between their legs (as 12th century asylum seekers). Check it out - Henry Blois - The King's Brother.


This is a combination of data from the Scottish Old Parish Registers and the English IGI.

FirstName

Surname

Event

Date

Place

Mrs. Emma

DOUAI

Marriage

1074

Bampton, Essex (sic) - actually Devon

Walscin (Walter)

DOUAI

Marriage

1074

Bampton, Essex (sic)

Ellyn

DOWIE

Birth

1541

Kingston Upon Thames, Surrey

Ales

DOWIE

Marriage

15/06/1561

St John The Baptist, Chester, Cheshire

Ellyn

DOWIE

Marriage

08/06/1562

Kingston Upon Thames, Surrey

Alice

DOUI

Christening

21/02/1574

Durnford, Wiltshire

John

DOUY

Christening

06/09/1577

Durnford, Wiltshire,

Robert

DOUY

Christening

07/01/1579

Durnford, Wiltshire

_____

DOWY

Christening

21/06/1579

Perth, Perth

Elspot

DOWYE

Christening

1585

Dysart, Fife

_____

DOWY

Christening

06/11/1586

Dysart, Fife

Dauid

DOWY

Christening

17/03/1587

Dysart, Fife

Jannat

DOWY

Christening

07/04/1588

Dysart, Fife

_____

DOWY

Christening

04/06/1592

Dysart, Fife

George

DOWY

Christening

23/05/1593

Dysart, Fife

Elein

DOWY

Christening

16/09/1593

Dysart, Fife

Elspot

DOWY

Christening

28/04/1594

Dysart, Fife

Elen

DOWY

Christening

06/08/1594

Dysart, Fife

Androw

DOWY

Christening

01/12/1594

Dysart, Fife

Margaret

DOWY

Christening

17/03/1595

Dysart, Fife

James

DOWIE

Marriage

11/05/1595

Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh

Vmphray

DOWIE

Christening

26/11/1595

Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh

Elspot

DOWY

Christening

11/04/1596

Dysart, Fife

Issobell

DOWIE

Christening

02/07/1596

Clackmannan, Clackmannan

William

DOWIE

Marriage

13/04/1597

Anstruther Wester, Fife

Margaret

DOWIE

Christening

23/11/1597

Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh

Jonat

DOWIE

Christening

13/06/1599

Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh

Thomas

DOWIE

Marriage

25/09/1599

Dunbarney, Perth

Thomas

DOWIE

Christening

18/11/1599

Dunbarney, Perth

William

DOUIE

Marriage

20/11/1599

Padstow, Cornwall

Misc. references on the web:

"Also holding manors in Somerset was Walter de Douai, son of Urso of Douai near Lille in Normandy. He was also at the Battle of Hastings. He held 37 manors. Walter also held extensive lands in Devonshire and a great barony. From him were descended the Barons Bampton of Devonshire. He may have had two other brothers at Hastings, Fouque and Goselin."

"Walter de Douai - his Somerset holdings:
Allerton, Alstone, Alston Sutton, Ansford, Badgworth, Bathealton, Bawdrip, Bradney, Bratton Seymour, Brean, Bridgewater, Burnham on Sea, Castle Cary, Chilcompnton, Crook, Dunwear, Horsey, Huntspill, Pawlett, Sparkford, Strecholt, Tarnock,Walpole, Watchet, Weare, Wembdon, Wincanton, Worle."

"Walter de Douai, was from Douai, near Lille, in Normandy. Son of Urso de Douai, Walter was at Hastings but his brother Hugh does not appear in the rolls and probably remained at the chief domain in Normandy. Walter received large baronies in Devonshire and Somerset. His chief domain was at Bampton, and from him descended the Barons of Bampton."

"http://pages.infinit.net/joss/sitepaynel/paynel_10.html
Branche de Bampton III . Guillaume I Paynel , sgr de Bampton et Devon, paraît être le fils de Foulques, sgr de Dudley. Il a épousé Juliana, fille de Robert de Bampton, ce dernier fils de Gautier de Douai et Emma."

Henry of Blois and the Lordship of Glastonbury(*). English Historical Review, Feb, 1999, by N. E. Stacy
This article is fascinating - pp 7-9 tell some part of a very interesting story which may explain a connection between the family of Walter de Douai and Scotland - but best to start at the beginning to set it in context.

Our branch of the Dowie family



A few of Thomas Dowie's descendants settled here 20 years ago! We're about 15 miles outside of Glasgow and about ten minutes from a village called Bardowie.  The "Dowie" part in this case :-) is probably from the Gaelic for black.

 
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